Anatoly Belyakov: Ok, it’s time to sum up our work…
Oleg Matveychev: What did we do in this book, briefly speaking?
First, we overviewed all data on the Trojan and Homeric issues and have shown that the collection of all scientific data today shows: Greeks did not win the Trojan War and it’s a high time to end this fable and officially announce it from the name of science at all schools and universities. Many people have approached it and raised the issue. We have generalized all that has been said.
Second, we have demonstrated that The Iliad and The Odyssey belong to a certain time period based on the “humanitarian artifacts” available in these poems. We dated the poems, just as Blegen and Finley did, and studied their material artifacts and social relations. However, they are world famous scientists, and we are prepared to die unknown.
Third, we solved the main mystery which stunned all specialists on antiquity; the famous rare anthropomorphism of the Greek religion. How did it come about? We have shown that it appeared as a reaction to “artificially” created religion, where gods’ family clan relations were placed as a basis for gods’ classification.
Forth, we have shown that particularly in Greece, the birthplace of Western Civilization, the focus of politics was already on “soft power” even then. Modern cultural and informational, ideological wars, black PR‒the falsification of history‒is not an innovation or accident, but the very ancient essence of Western thinking.
Fifth, we refuted the popular axiom that “history is written by the victors”. On the contrary, we have proven that based on the example of the Greeks, those who write history become the victors. And they can be the ones who lost. Therefore, historians, ideologists and poets are a thousand times more important for the state than all of its weapons, political or economical power.
Sixth, we have outlined a problem of the current postmodern world, in which universals conflict with each other and each of them includes the others and have demonstrated two methods of solving the problems (the unifying arrival of the Last God, and technical universalism with divisive variety of virtual worlds and lifestyles) and also proposed a mechanism of identification of humanity on a basis of a serious interactive game which consists of opposition to “The Other” and universally anti-human and at the same time be a positive project of the future; battle with death for immortality.
A.B: A rather serious contribution if you consider everything together.
O.M: But we won’t be awarded the Nobel Prize or given honorary Oxford degrees.
A.B: Not even one from the second-rate Rostock University like Schliemann received.
О.М. Yep. And all because any clown if they were born in USA can easily publish any papers in scientific journals, written at the level of the Russian third-year student and can become a known scientist, issue books and live on the proceeds of the sales. There are a couple dozen people in Russia in the sphere of international policies and geopolitics who are much more interesting than Huntington, however, the entire world knows him, but does not know them. Or, for example, take world renowned political scientist Fukuyama. This man admitted in his papers, without hesitation, that he heard about Hegel in Kozhev’s papers and at advanced age, while he was already a professor. Any graduate from our philosophical faculty or political science knows Hegel.
A.B: However, their readers did not hear about Hegel from Kozhev and did not hear about Kozhev either. So here we go, ignorant people write for even more ignorant people and those, in turn, make them famous, buy millions of books, make them millionaires, give them PhDs, hire them as advisors to presidents, give them Nobel prizes and this life continues in a full confidence that they are the centre of the world and whoever is outside of the borders are barbarians and nothing interesting can come out of there and no one is even curious.
O.M: This confidence is carried over into our so called elite that are also sure that everything important happens in the West and needs to be copied from there. So the ignorance is transferred here, although of course, there are smart people in the West too.
A.B (laughs) So, what’s the solution to not let our discoveries die and some Americans writing the same things in 50 years and collecting all the glory and money?
O.M: If one of our wealthy patrons of culture finds a way to translate this into English and other languages, order scientific reviews, distribute the work in magazines, publish books and articles in the West, do presentations, put it in scientific circulation; in other words, promote. We can solve a lot of historical mysteries, we have clear heads and we like to do it, but we need to work as journalists, copywriters, script writers, PR experts to survive. And at the same time some nouveau riche buys himself a fifth Jeep, tenth golden toilet, gives a gift to some hooker costing more than our yearly salaries. Because the lesson of the ancient Greeks is that they let sophists and poets do what they do and they won the war that was lost by the military, businessmen and politicians. Philosophers and poets are the most valuable asset that a state has; it’s why a state persists in the centuries, yet they eke out a living, while the respect and glory goes to those who will not be remembered after one generation.
A.B: There is one more obstacle for promotion. We have not written an academic book, it’s more of a popular history.
O.M: Oh, we did not format the references correctly! This is a terrible crime! And you shouldn’t have pictures. And you should put Latin words in the text, and incomprehensible words, write in a dry, boring and nauseating way so the reader falls asleep, so no one could possibly finish reading it. And that, by the way, happens to ninety percent of theses, which are not read even by one’s peers and reviewers, who limit themselves to the abstracts. We are breaking the canons of the scientific form. Therefore, we have no chance. However, we enjoyed the intellectual challenge, did we not? You can say we completed this work playing. We had fun and our readers will too. And the rest we will leave to fate.